Miss. Mandelman, I hope you consider this notion.

Further rather then enter to petty argument over a difference of opinion I suggest another favored quote

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
-Voltaire

All I ask is that when you speak, you speak with an open mind. Some CGNers are a bit abrasive but their message is unified.

What was most laughable about the treatment I received was the fact that the entire time the pro-gun community was trying to discredit my work; they were also trying to get me removed from the country. Paranoia and fear runs rampant among the gunnutz, and as such they try to ‘stomp out’ (their words, not mine) any opinion that differs from their own.”

Newsflash Liz, the most important part of good research is scrutiny. If you feel your work should not be tested or criticized, don’t publish it anywhere (even on a blog), because it’s no good.

As for the personal attacks, there were some members of the CGN community who made inappropriate comments, but a vast majority was civil, blunt… but civil. Saying that the entire CGN community is childish, paranoid, and fearful is doing the exact same thing you accused us of doing to you.

Just keep these things in the back of your head before you post anything, ad realize that when you speak of gun control, you are infringing on peoples rights (the right to property).

The examples I have made were of populations at large.

In Rwanda, nearly a MILLION Tutsis were MASSACRED by the Hutus. And it was done largely with MACHETES and SHARPENED FARM IMPLEMENTS. Why? Because there was a TOTAL CIVILIAN DISARMAMENT.

In Stalinist Russia, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS were DISAPPEARED by the government, because THEY HAD NO WAY TO FIGHT BACK because of a GENERAL CIVILIAN DISARMAMENT.

In Nazi Germany, the government claimed that they were the MOST ENLIGHTENED NATION IN THE MODERN WORLD because they had instituted TOTAL GUN CONTROL and EVERYONE except the military, the SA and the SS had to give up their guns. There WAS a sizeable Jewish population in Germany… up to that point.

In the BALKANS, only the MILITARY AND PARAMILITARY OUTFITS had guns. Look up the mass graves, filled with all men and boys from a number of villages.

Are my examples are documented and proven true historical events. Ms Mandelman, who do you think you are to question history?

However, what you are saying is that the only kind of domestic abuse you give half a damn about is abuse against women and that you’d do ANYTHING to prevent it. In effect, you’re saying that ONLY men commit domestic abuse, and that to prevent that you’d see them all disarmed.

Tell me, how is that “taking guns away from targeted groups” instead of disarming an entire population?

My position is backed with facts and history. Yours is backed with emotion, cherry-picked statistics that are given out of context and a very selective target population.

And still, you’ve failed to address most of the points I have raised with you. You demand respect, then perhaps you SHOULD try to EARN some by answering the points I am bringing forward.

And once more, in the interest of shedding as much light on the issue, this comment will be sent to multiple recipients in case you see it fit to contradict your claims of welcoming discussion and debate and not publish it.

That is rather shocking isnt it?

I mean…your conclusions are very wrong indeed. Do you not expect people to point out the errors you have come to?

I had expected better……..